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I clearly missed out on the first round of the Scott Aaronson debate - an MIT professor who argued in an online discussion of the position of women in STEM that as a shy, nerdy guy he was not privileged, and that feminism made him feel like a monster, and did this in response to a woman talking about her experience of being raped by a shy, nerdy guy *headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk* - but a friend just pointed me at a good analysis of what Aaronson was trying to say, and how he went so wrong, that may interest people here: The plight of the bitter nerd: Why so many awkward, shy guys end up hating feminism

Laurie Penny (who has already written about this general issue when she pointed out the need for male nerds to make the uncomfortable recognition that their position in society isn't as their fondly imagined parallel to the Star Wars Rebel Alliance, but that they're actually an arm of the Empire) also has a good analysis of this in her article On Nerd Entitlement, in fact she pretty much nails the argument with her sub-title: 'White male nerds need to recognise that other people had traumatic upbringings, too - and that's different from structural oppression'. She examines where Aaronson is coming from (white male nerd who had an appalling time at school), compares it to her own lived experience (white female nerd who had an appalling time at school), and then rips him to shreds for trying to claim male nerds aren't part of the structural problem, particularly for women in STEM, by showing that yes, in fact we clearly are. And I love the fact that she goes on to tear apart his bewailing the fact that boys/men like him would do better if marriages were still being arranged by elders within the shtetl as happened for earlier generations of men in his family, by pointing out that his ancestral 'better' was only achieved by the ancestral subjugation of earlier generations of women in her family and others, within the demands of seeing the young men had the best chances, enabled at the cost of the hopes, and even ultimately lives, of young women like her.

It's this kind of *headdesk* -worthy idiocy from male nerds that makes me so glad I became disabled, as that transition/revelation/Damascene conversion gave me a much better appreciation of how, even as the proverbial shy, nerdy guy, my life had been privileged until that point (and still is) by the fact I'm also a straight white, middle-class male. While I wouldn't wish disability on Aaronson, it sounds like he needs a similarly revelatory experience if he truly thinks his experiences as a nerd equate to a woman's experience of being raped

Date: 2015-01-15 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cosmolinguist
Yep, and the combinations they can exist in, too: how physical disabilities affect frequency and treatment of mental health conditions (and vice versa: when I still had a job, it took me to an interesting seminar on diagnosing visual impairments in people with learning disabilities, which combination had never occurred to me; also via my ASD husband I've learned it's difficult to diagnose autism in blind people because some of the autistic presentation overlaps so much with blind people's difficulties and even coping strategies). The intersection of more than one kind of disability is really underappreciated, considering how common it is for a person to have/develop more than one facet of disability.

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